Critics love The Last of Us: Part II. Users don't.

Paladin

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It's been barely a day since The Last of Us: Part II was released, but it already seems to be attracting heat among the gaming populace.
While critics are giving it scores of 95-100, users don't see the same appeal. So far, the game has attracted a score of 3.6, or Generally Unfavorable on Metacritic after 37,941 total reviews (of which 25,296 are negative.) It also doesn't take much work to find YouTube videos or news articles criticizing the game.

Many of these criticisms are levied against the game's overall story. Without mentioning spoilers, there are several events in-story that have caused uproar and anger.

What's your opinion on this sort of thing? Do you agree with the reviews, or do you disagree with them? Do you believe that the users are criticizing in a good way, or simply throwing criticism at the first thing they see?

More importantly, do you think that The Last of Us: Part II is still a good game? Or have the reviews caused you to think about it a bit more?

SPOILER WARNING: These links contain spoilers. Many of the reviews are already spoilered, but this is just a disclaimer that, yes, your game experience may be spoiled by visiting these links.
 

Ash

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I read that some of the reviews weren't real (from the fans). It seems that some of the reviews were posted very quickly after the game launched and it seems almost impossible for some to have already finished the game by then.
 
I read that some of the reviews weren't real (from the fans). It seems that some of the reviews were posted very quickly after the game launched and it seems almost impossible for some to have already finished the game by then.

This does not suprise me in the slightest. I never ever believe reviews for this reason, I just feel like 90% of the time they are fabricated.
 

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I haven't played it yet, however a friend told me that a lot of feedback from reviews are saying its very disturbing in some scenes and that its made gamers not play it?

He is half way through the game without finding any of them claims above and has enjoyed it.
 
The game is a violent offering, and for that reason, I don't like its plot. Visually, the game is impressive, and I hope the PS5 continues to raise the bar with gaming. The gameplay is also fine, for the most part. Sometimes though, you have to die to figure out what you should have did right, which seems awfully dirty. For example, at the start as Abby, the Infected come running right at you. You're giving no real indication of where she has to flee, at that moment. So anyone trying to do the whole game without dying once - I wish you the best!

However, I play games for their story too, and this one is just too brutal to be classed as being good in any capacity. I honestly felt sad after finishing it. The story is best summed up as being grim, or bleak.
 

Nova

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I heard a lot of people are not happy with the gameplay aspects of it. Story trail is okayish considering it is meant for the survival and horror pleasing one. I don't think community has to be happy with every new game that comes out. But this one seems pretty okay to me but sales speak the reality.
 
I heard a lot of people are not happy with the gameplay aspects of it. Story trail is okayish considering it is meant for the survival and horror pleasing one. I don't think community has to be happy with every new game that comes out. But this one seems pretty okay to me but sales speak the reality.
I would like if the likes of metacritic had it's users have to connect their platform ID to review a game. The username doesn't need to be public but it could cut down on ridiculous review scores. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but how anyone can claim The Last of Us Part II or any game is a 0 beggars belief. A zero score would mean that it does not work. You may hate the story and that's fine but the game functions and I had zero crashes completing it so it is at least higher than a 0. The game plays slightly better than the first with a few extra moves so if the original was a masterpiece, the issue is not with gameplay.

The leaks ruined it. It wouldn't have had the backlash had you discovered it all in the same time frame. The people offended by the "SJW" parts made it a bigger monster than it was because they had a few months without seeing the full picture. The original TLOU worked well as there was subtle parts to other characters. Bill was gay, but they didn't bash you over the head with it and the same for Ellie. You find out Riley is a girl and not a boy at the last cutscene. If two months prior to the PS3 release of TLOU, it was revealed you played part of the game as a gay character and there was a section where you meet a gay character and see his lover there would be pitchforks. If the leaks didn't come out the damage wouldn't have been as bad. Those outraged by TLOU2 had two months free hand to build the hate around the game.
 
The story is torture. That isn't to say the game is otherwise unimpressive. I think giving how everything plays out, they just did the fans a major disservice. The trailers and stuff were also misleading. It was as if Neil didn't want any fans to know about Abby or that Joel wasn't the central focal point. But God, you have to play as that cow for a huge majority of the game. Nobody feels sorry for her. 😐
 

Paladin

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After going back on reading some reviews and watching a few gameplay videos on Youtube, I can say this:
Spoilered to protect important story events.
  • The graphics really are beautiful, and I love the accessibility mode. It's clear that Naughty Dog are trying to attract the biggest audience they can. It's also good that they are trying to welcome the niche of gamers who need additional help or are vision-impaired.
  • I really, really hate spending most of the game playing as Joel's murderer, who you don't even get to kill at the end. Why.
  • Joel's death is really pointless. The first time I saw it, I thought it was a sick joke. I don't think the actual way that he died was the problem. The problem is just how ridiculously OOC Naughty Dog makes him. Why would he introduce himself to people he's never met, when in the last game he ran over someone for doubting them?
  • That scene between Owen and Abby. You saw it, I saw it, doesn't change the fact that it's basically animated sex.. It's utterly pointless and ultimately detracts from the entire game. It may not be complete fanservice (or fan dis-service), but that doesn't change the fact that it feels incredibly shoehorned in. The first time I saw it, I winced in disgust and wished I could skip it. Why isn't it skippable?
  • Ellie kills everyone except for the person who murdered Joel, and then lets her live!!! There were no words to describe just how baffling and dazing that scene was. This game has Ellie go on a revenge plot, kill hundreds, but stops short at her worst enemy?
Anyway, if I had to throw in a review, I'd praise the graphics and express my disgust at the story. It really isn't the kind of quality I'd expect from the people who made The Last Of Us, which was 100x better than this.
And that's my two cents. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. :ROFLMAO:
 

Nova

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The leaks ruined it.
Pretty much. However the LGBTQ found this game pretty interesting and they are pushign for it. And they demand more characters which are of their community. So leaks kind of ruined to the core communtiy but they found new community where they accepted the new games as it is. Overall reviews now are coming okayish.
 

FaceHugger

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I enjoyed the story a lot. I think it was brave of Naughty Dog to take the risks they did. It goes without saying it's a beatiful game in every visual and audible way. The gameplay is fine, they just improved what was already there from the first game.

Regarding the conclusion, I do understand the motivations of the two characters involved. The final flashback, followed by
our hero's walk into the uncertain future, was touching.
 

Slugs

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I enjoyed the game, but not as much of the first one. Not so much because of the content of the twists but more how it was presented. I think it would have been a better game if they literally swapped the first and second halves

imagine if they marketed the game as a new story within the TLOU universe. You’re playing as a new woman on her revenge quest, then you find out as the game progresses that you’re taking revenge on Joel. Have the first half of the game be the journey to Jackson to hunt down Joel and slowly unravel the details as you go. Have the next quarter be the current Abby half we have but condensed, then have the last quarter be playing as Ellie in the epilogue that exists currently (post theatre fight)

I’m not a writer so my suggestion ovbviously isn’t perfect. I just think playing as Ellie would have been abetter twist.
 

FaceHugger

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I enjoyed the game, but not as much of the first one. Not so much because of the content of the twists but more how it was presented. I think it would have been a better game if they literally swapped the first and second halves

imagine if they marketed the game as a new story within the TLOU universe. You’re playing as a new woman on her revenge quest, then you find out as the game progresses that you’re taking revenge on Joel. Have the first half of the game be the journey to Jackson to hunt down Joel and slowly unravel the details as you go. Have the next quarter be the current Abby half we have but condensed, then have the last quarter be playing as Ellie in the epilogue that exists currently (post theatre fight)

I’m not a writer so my suggestion ovbviously isn’t perfect. I just think playing as Ellie would have been abetter twist.

That sounds like it could have worked, I like your idea. From ND's perspective, they probably wanted to stick to the main characters everyone was already familiar with before introducing the plot twists. Not just for continuity's sake, but from a marketing perspective (everyone wanted more Ellie and Joel).
 

Slugs

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That sounds like it could have worked, I like your idea. From ND's perspective, they probably wanted to stick to the main characters everyone was already familiar with before introducing the plot twists. Not just for continuity's sake, but from a marketing perspective (everyone wanted more Ellie and Joel).

I know but TLOU was a big enough success that I think any game marketed as a sequel, regardless of who the player character was, would have done well. Maybe that’s naive of me though and maybe I’m underestimating the number of people that would have lost interest if Joel wasn’t in the marketing. One of my favourite things about TLOU was the ending and how it wasn’t a cliffhanger begging for a sequel. It had an Inception-like ending that was very open to debate but with no obvious follow on required.

I dunno, I don’t have any problems with the story they told I just think it could have been done better. And given the response from people about “the twist” I think it would have been Received way more positively if it were flipped.
 
To answer your question, Griffin...

Dina's baby is named after Joel, and her late ex-boyfriend, Jesse. He's the Chinese looking guy who was dating Dina, before they broke up and Dina started a relationship with Ellie. Later on, Jesse assists Ellie in trying to find Tommy, Joel's brother, as Dina announces she's pregnant, and cannot continue to travel with Ellie. She stays at a theatre, and Jesse ends up killed by Abby who discovered their location, prior to the birth of his child.
 

Ty_McDK

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So disclosure, I haven't played the game but I have watched a bunch of gameplay and story and I'm familiar with the general plot, how it ends etc. So take from this what you will.

TLoU2 to me comes off like Neil Druckman played Spec Ops: The Line, thought "hey I can do that too", and completely missed why it worked.

The thing which really anoys me about TLoU2, which isn't touched on much, is how the game is essentially a "fuck you" to the player.

The game constantly forces you as the player carry out horrendous actions, then snatches control away just in time for the person you're controlling to say "actually, I don't want to do this any more". So the character gets some kind of redemption while you as the player don't have that option. Versus Spec Ops where you and the character you controlled were equally culpable.
 
Well, I have an image of Joel, Ellie and a giraffe as my desktop wallpaper on my (horrendously slow) refurbished laptop. It's unpleasant to look at it now, knowing what the sequel represents. 😫

I just don't understand Naughty Dog. In fact, you know I am so distrusting of Capcom now as well. They have something great going, and they decide to fumble the ball. It's no wonder I moan about them all over the Internet. 😪
 

Ty_McDK

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Well, I have an image of Joel, Ellie and a giraffe as my desktop wallpaper on my (horrendously slow) refurbished laptop. It's unpleasant to look at it now, knowing what the sequel represents. 😫

I just don't understand Naughty Dog. In fact, you know I am so distrusting of Capcom now as well. They have something great going, and they decide to fumble the ball. It's no wonder I moan about them all over the Internet. 😪

It's a common trend right now for companies to ignore their bottom line in order to virtue signal. But its not sustainable, at some point they're going to have very angry shareholders
 
My trust in Naughty Dog has gone out of the window. I've been so unimpressed with Capcom for years, that I wanted to get off that sinking ship and find a "new" franchise to support. Generally, I wanted to remain loyal to Capcom and not follow through with my wholesome abandonment, but I decided to broaden my horizons due to how much they've wrecked Resident Evil.

The Last of Us was shaping up to be the replacement I needed for Resident Evil. But now that I've been majorly disappointed by the liar that is Neil Druckmann, I am no longer certain that I should get my hopes up for a third game.

I don't think he has any clue why the first game is so beloved. I think the problem with me is that I only play horror related franchises. Maybe I should try Gears of War. If not that, then something else at least. I'm not sure that it will be my thing, but the co-op mode does appeal to me. I've kept telling my little sis that we need to play games together again.

If Ellie had died too, that would have gotten Naughty Dog that 'break the Internet' moment. 😯
 

LeeRoyBrown

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I absolutely loved the game, also none of my mates in real life disliked it either, worst I've heard is part 1 was better. I feel like there is a huge tantrum being thrown by mostly Americans in regards to this game, not sure why that is. The most disappointing thing for me is reading about people who spoiled the game for themselves and then didn't enjoy it. It's a story based game, regardless of liking the story or not, the intrigue of where the story was going is half the fun, that's where the adventure is. Remove that aspect from the game and most of any enjoyment of a story based game is going to vanish before you even put your hands on the controller. I can't understand people who spoil things for themselves regardless of what it is and then seem surprised by their own lack of enjoyment.
 
I absolutely loved the game, also none of my mates in real life disliked it either, worst I've heard is part 1 was better. I feel like there is a huge tantrum being thrown by mostly Americans in regards to this game, not sure why that is. The most disappointing thing for me is reading about people who spoiled the game for themselves and then didn't enjoy it. It's a story based game, regardless of liking the story or not, the intrigue of where the story was going is half the fun, that's where the adventure is. Remove that aspect from the game and most of any enjoyment of a story based game is going to vanish before you even put your hands on the controller. I can't understand people who spoil things for themselves regardless of what it is and then seem surprised by their own lack of enjoyment.
"Americans" are tired of the pattern, but I think some of us have become too sensitive. I don't just mean the "snowflakes" I'm speaking as to my own tribe, and even myself. I don't think it's entirely our own faults that we find ourselves here, but we do need to start critically thinking about things instead of just spewing hot takes based on knee jerk reactions.

I don't have an opinion on the game as I've not played it (I know the controversy). I won't be playing it, NOT because of any story beats that have people upset. But because I don't have a PS4, and I'll never be getting a PS anything or buying anything released by Naughty Dog again. The copy right strike nonsense they pulled during the lead up did them no favors as far as fueling the fires, and it lost the folks like me that potentially might have tried to calm my tribe down. But naw, I'm more than content to sit back and watch it all burn.

Based on what I do know, which is far from complete, it seems like Naughty Dog was trying to craft a grand narrative about the nature of revenge itself. Based on most of what I've seen in terms of legit reaction and criticism of the actual game and story, they did clunky job of it, and rather than try to explain their intent, they chose to throw gas on the fire at every opportunity.
 
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NickNailer

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Id love to know what qualifies someone as critic. I've recently discovered that i identify as a games journalist and i rate the game dumpster/10. Wheres my rating on the box
 
Reddit is full of fans who aren't keen on the game whatsoever. I myself think the criticism is a tad unfair. So maybe the story is noticeably disappointing, but games set in a post apocalyptic world with zombies (or a similar threat) aren't supposed to be sunshine and rainbows. Each moment can be your last. You have to fight for every bullet, camp, medical supply, food item, you name it.

Dawn of the Dead and 28 Days Later... are practically on the same level, where it's like people only got as far as they did because they had what it took to survive against overwhelming odds. There's also Resident Evil and The Walking Dead. Only the strong survive!

 


"Juicy heads", huh? That's not a nice way to talk about a former person. He's clearly cracking open too many cold ones. :unsure:


The body language. Oh my God! THE BODY LANGUAGE OF THIS MAN SAYS IT ALL! :eek:
 

FaceHugger

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"Americans" are tired of the pattern, but I think some of us have become too sensitive. I don't just mean the "snowflakes" I'm speaking as to my own tribe, and even myself. I don't think it's entirely our own faults that we find ourselves here, but we do need to start critically thinking about things instead of just spewing hot takes based on knee jerk reactions.

I don't have an opinion on the game as I've not played it (I know the controversy). I won't be playing it, NOT because of any story beats that have people upset. But because I don't have a PS4, and I'll never be getting a PS anything or buying anything released by Naughty Dog again. The copy right strike nonsense they pulled during the lead up did them no favors as far as fueling the fires, and it lost the folks like me that potentially might have tried to calm my tribe down. But naw, I'm more than content to sit back and watch it all burn.

Based on what I do know, which is far from complete, it seems like Naughty Dog was trying to craft a grand narrative about the nature of revenge itself. Based on most of what I've seen in terms of legit reaction and criticism of the actual game and story, they did clunky job of it, and rather than try to explain their intent, they chose to throw gas on the fire at every opportunity.

For someone who doesn't own a PS4 and will never play a game we're discussing, you seem really intent on causing discord about it. Just saying, If even the news about a video game bothers you this much you should probably walk away.
 
I've never played any of the Uncharted games (being exclusively a survival horror fanboy, sorry). But man, does this look like an awesome series too? Sure I recognized some of the voice actors from The Last of Us games too. ;)

You know? I wish Capcom did this with Resident Evil, instead of giving the duty for the last remake to this M-Two crowd that clearly didn't know what the hell they were doing. If Capcom cared about quality, they'd take notice of Naughty Dog's passion. Now I'm not saying every employee at Capcom are acting like passionless pricks, but they haven't exactly been doing a sensational job. In some strange way though, they're SLOWLY improving themselves. But you can tell Naughty Dog is the better of the two companies for a reason.

 
For someone who doesn't own a PS4 and will never play a game we're discussing, you seem really intent on causing discord about it. Just saying, If even the news about a video game bothers you this much you should probably walk away.


How do you figure? Elaborate. How am I sowing discord? Did you even actually read my post?

I'm guessing you must have skimmed it, and just assumed you knew what was in there. Because you are not making any sense. I wasn't upset by the news of the game. I said I think people are being too sensitive about the story. I think Sony did a piss poor job of handling the leaks and the backlash, but that's not the same thing, so I don't understand where you are coming from.
 
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Ha-ha. I know the feeling. I was on a forum the other week there, posting my opinions. Didn't expect the barrage of abuse that followed. But it was a site for trolling that has "no rules", so it was my own fault. I shouldn't post at unmoderated, uncivilized forums. But this forum has been great since I joined it in mid-2019. I just agree to disagree. I know for example, people love the RE2 remake. Which I don't. But still... :)
 
Ha-ha. I know the feeling. I was on a forum the other week there, posting my opinions. Didn't expect the barrage of abuse that followed. But it was a site for trolling that has "no rules", so it was my own fault. I shouldn't post at unmoderated, uncivilized forums. But this forum has been great since I joined it in mid-2019. I just agree to disagree. I know for example, people love the RE2 remake. Which I don't. But still... :)
I just have this need to call out smarmy pricks, it's a weakness.
 

PGen98

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If someone want's to imply i'm just being a trouble maker and should shut up and go away, I think its more than reasonable for me to want to understand why. To understand how they come to that conclusion.

Perfectly understandable, though maybe next time just slip it into a quick PM/Convo? That aside, I have nothing at all against people looking for clarifications when someone calls out their opinions.

I just agree to disagree.
The best way to be, honestly. People will always disagree and nothing can force someone to see your side if they don't want to, so c'est la vie.
 
Yeah.

I think the RE fan community is one of the WORST for that sort of hassle, but people on Reddit are generally open to different opinions. I've also had the same problem with Wikipedia. If you edit a page and what you wrote isn't 'good enough' for the moderators, they outright revert you. So you just went and plastered a wall of text on there that probably took up 30 minutes of your time to compose, and they can undo all of your hard work with a single click of a mouse. :D

The Last of Us Part II sub Reddit has displayed much hostility towards the game, but I haven't seen too many squabbles on the actual forums between other users. Just the odd post here and there.


Help this guy's channel grow. He's an excellent YouTuber, and that review was excellent! ;)
 
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